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Rachel Ray and her husband of almost 20 years have a “weird way” of creating balance in their marriage.


During the third episode of Ray’s new podcast, “I’ll sleep when I’m dead”, Ray invited guest Jacques Pépin to discuss the importance of marriage. Ray told the French chef that she and her husband, musician and lawyer John Cusimano, “brought something to each other.”


“You know, (John is) a lawyer and a musician,” Ray began. “I’m not a musician. I’m certainly not a lawyer. I hate reading legal documents and official cases, but we balance each other out in a strange way. We allow each other to be open to different worlds. “


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Rachael Ray and John Cusinamo



Rachel Ray and her husband John Cusimano have a “weird way” of balancing each other out. (Getty Images)





She added, “I also think it’s nice to be able to express thoughts truthfully.”


Ray and Cusimano married in Italy in 2005 and renewed their vows in 2015 at the same castle in Tuscany, where they said, “I do.”



“You know, (John is) a lawyer and a musician. I’m not a musician. I’m certainly not a lawyer. I hate reading legal documents and official cases, but we balance each other out in a strange way. We let each other to be open to different worlds.”


– Rachel Ray


During the podcast, Ray called her husband an “essential” part of her success.


“I love my husband, John, and John has worked with me and built our company and our brand together, but we agreed in concept about service to the community, service to the world, service to animals and to children” Ray said.



Rachael Ray and John Cusimano



Cusimano is a musician and entertainment lawyer. (Noam Galai)





She continued, “It was very important to me that I married him because I thought that this person could be a true partner in what I believe in and help people and build not a business, but a community.”


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This isn’t the first time Ray has spoken candidly about her marriage to Cusimano on her podcast, which debuted in October. The former Food Network star revealed a few unconventional tips and tricks that help keep the relationship strong.


“I’m extremely lucky to have my husband,” she said in the first episode of her podcast. ‘But he understands that I need my space. He needs his space.’



Celebrity chef Rachael Ray smiles next to husband John Cusimano.



Rachael Ray and husband John Cusimano tied the knot in 2005. (Jamie McCarthy)





She also said that she and Cusimano do not believe in avoiding conflict.


“It’s very difficult, especially for short-tempered, creative or loud, loud people to be able to just calm it down,” Ray told her guest, Jenny Mollen.


“John and I never calm down. We have huge shouting matches all the time, but I think that’s healthy. I really do. And I don’t trust people who are too quiet.



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Rachael Ray said she and her husband “never calm it down.” (Getty Images)





‘Too quiet drives me crazy. I’d rather you tell me what you’re thinking if you’re thinking it, and let’s get it all out there.”


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Ray and Cusimano also have a unique way of making up after a fight.



Rachael Ray wears glasses and a hat with husband John Cusimano.



Ray is not afraid to get into a fight with her husband, who has been in trouble for almost twenty years. (John Lamparski)





“I don’t know if we’ve ever apologized to each other,” says the “30 Minute Meals” star said. “I end up patting him on the a– or he kisses me on the head, and that’s about it. That’s the apology.


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‘It’s just kind of understood. “I still love you….I still love your head.” It’s kind of in that zone.”





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